- #pull [[fellowship of the link]]
- there's more logs elsewhere in the [[agora]] but I don't know where yet :)
- [[2022-08-19]]

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Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:Dan, here's the event: 
https://www.betaworks.com/event/render-tools-for-thinking
 
20:04
mathew
mathew says:my scrib(bl)e on Gordon's "demo" are on your agora's hedgedoc, @Flancian: 
https://doc.anagora.org/s/tools-for-thinking
 
20:07
me says:
https://anagora.org/tools-for-thinking
 
20:07
Chris Aldrich
Chris Aldrich says:Todays's shared notes: 
Chris Aldrich says:
https://doc.anagora.org/fellowship-of-the-link?edit
 
20:07
me says:thank you so much mathew! 
20:07
mathew
mathew says:😉 
20:08
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:the FoTL Mattermost channel is 
https://chat.collectivesensecommons.org/agora/channels/ogm-fellowship-of-the-link
 
Jerry Michalski says:
https://web.hypothes.is/blog/say-hello-to-anno/
 
Jerry Michalski says:ah, paywalls 
Jerry Michalski says:multiple people "scribed" the Render event. find them all here: 
https://wiki.rel8.dev/scribing_tools_for_thinking
 
Jerry Michalski says:(including some nice folks here) 
Jerry Michalski says:Chris your notetaking is awesome 
Jerry Michalski says:does that HedgeDoc page automagically become part of An Agora? 
20:21
me says:Jerry: which hedgedoc? 
me says:this? 
https://doc.anagora.org/fellowship-of-the-link?edit#
 
20:22
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:yes 
Jerry Michalski says:sometimes the comments are better than the content 
20:23
me says:I think that's me writing 😃 
20:23
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:oh! Flancian, you're an amazing notetaker! (sorry!) 
20:23
me says:(haha not at all, I just wanted to know if I was missing notes elsewhere!) 
20:23
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:nope 
Jerry Michalski says:Chris took notes on a prior call you missed, so I made faulty assumptions... 
20:24
me says:those notes were truly great 😃 
20:24
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:land trusts, other Commons model 
20:25
mathew
mathew says:data unions: users share their data to train the AI; then benefit from the revenue from the AI. 
20:26
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:yes! 
20:26
mathew
mathew says:all run via a DisCO, of course! 😉 
20:27
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:Commons that regulate markets 
Jerry Michalski says:and build larger markets 
Jerry Michalski says:adversarial interoperability 
Jerry Michalski says:how to "incentivise" high-quality creators to add to the Commons? 
Jerry Michalski says:and how do you create this economy in a way that's hard to disrupt? 
Jerry Michalski says:Reddit Gold 
20:30
mathew
mathew says:is Blendle still going? 
20:34
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:redwoods that grow close intertwine their roots to create stability and grow taller 
20:34
me says:ranking, filtering 
me says:FoAF 
me says:(maybe) 
me says:open algorithms -> open AIs 
20:35
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:IndieWeb important here 
Jerry Michalski says:that, and I would love to be rewarded for curating my Brain... sigh 
Jerry Michalski says:static content vs feeds 
Jerry Michalski says:how to feed the garden(s) 
Jerry Michalski says:
http://snarkmarket.com/2010/4890
 
20:43
mathew
mathew says:my notes on technopastoral: 
https://myhub.ai/items/the-garden-and-the-stream-a-technopastoral-hapgood
 
20:44
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:
https://hapgood.us/2015/10/17/the-garden-and-the-stream-a-technopastoral/
 
20:44
mathew
mathew says:The Future of the Internet Is Flow: 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-future-of-the-internet-is-flow-1443796858
 
mathew says:both here, with a couple more: 
https://myhub.ai/@mathewlowry/?tags=stream
 
mathew says:one more: Gardens, Not Graves : 
http://alistapart.com/article/gardens-not-graves
 
20:46
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:Mathew, never heard of that article. cool! 
20:46
mathew
mathew says:You need a pipeline. From a few yrs back: 
https://medium.com/the-mission/why-you-need-a-personal-content-strategy-ff05c84fccfd
 
mathew says:What I think tagged #content_strategy and #productivity: 
https://myhub.ai/@mathewlowry/?quality=all&tags=productivity&tags=content+strategy&timeframe=anytime&types=think
 
20:49
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:Dan, we usually run well over an hour. Do you have to leave at the hour, and if so, anything you want to add or ask? 
20:51
Dan
Dan says:I do have to leave yes 
20:52
mathew
mathew says:a hub is a library 
mathew says:nice2meet u2 
20:53
me says:thank you Dan!!! 
20:54
mathew
mathew says:"Readwise looked at turning everything into blocks and do a block-based architecture ... developed a phase change metaphor ... to turn knowledge blobs into coherent texts for sharing... solids (documents) and ... fluid blocks (blobs of knowledge)." 
20:55
Chris Aldrich
Chris Aldrich says:Something there reminded me of Jerry's question of zooming in and out and a UI experiment I saw yesterday: 
https://ncase.me/nutshell/
 
20:55
mathew
mathew says:👍 
mathew says:... and governments... (press releases) 
20:57
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:Nicky Case is cool! 
Jerry Michalski says:let's dig deeper into orality! 
20:58
mathew
mathew says:Btw, weren't we going to discuss creating a landscape of starting points for people interested in thinking tools? 
20:58
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:have link to the talk? 
Jerry Michalski says:+1 Mathew 
20:59
Dan
Dan says:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GThr77PbJ4w
 
Dan says:
https://docdrop.org/video/GThr77PbJ4w/
 
20:59
Chris Aldrich
Chris Aldrich says:
https://docdrop.org/
 as a tool for annotating video 
21:00
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:someone used docdrop to annotate a video podcast I did recently. very cool. 
21:00
mathew
mathew says:reminds me of Twitter missing this ~10 yrs ago 
21:01
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:love this! 
21:01
mathew
mathew says:What do you think of Noosphere, btw? 
21:02
Chris Aldrich
Chris Aldrich says:Q: What did the big toe say to the little toe? 
Chris Aldrich says:A: There's a fungus among us 
21:05
mathew
mathew says:😄 
mathew says:When I shared an appartment in Sydney with a few others, we had a commonbook in the lounge for messaging each other. Hilarious reading 
21:07
me says:marginalia 
21:08
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:Mapping Tools for Thinking 
https://bra.in/5qeDMg
 
21:13
mathew
mathew says:my first idea: 
https://chat.collectivesensecommons.org/agora/pl/78gprua18frkpc6shrxabricqo
 
21:15
Chris Aldrich
Chris Aldrich says:how to ease the idea of satisficing the fediverse 
21:15
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:spider charts 
21:16
mathew
mathew says:+1 
mathew says:Back to the data union DisCO... 
21:22
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:bring in Ward Cunningham? 
21:26
Chris Aldrich
Chris Aldrich says:Let's start a politbureau! 🤣 
21:27
Jerry Michalski
Jerry Michalski says:perfect! 
Jerry Michalski says:a Mandarin class! 
Jerry Michalski says:can u repost the diagram link here? 
21:28
me says:a distributed map of distributed thought 
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